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		<title>P4A 3 rendering layer discussion</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 16:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Fabrizio Balliano</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This post will not be easy to write&#8230; I&#8217;ll try to explain you what kept us really busy in the past 2 weeks. ok a screenshot could help me :-) In the P4A 3 roadmap post, I told you about a new widget rendering system&#8230; I didn&#8217;t post more technical info intentionally, I wanted to [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post will not be easy to write&#8230; I&#8217;ll try to explain you what kept us really busy in the past 2 weeks. ok a screenshot could help me :-)</p>
<p><a href="http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/2425/schermataxb7.png"><img src="http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/2425/schermataxb7.th.png" /></a></p>
<p>In the <a href="http://www.fabrizioballiano.net/2007/11/22/p4a-30-roadmap/">P4A 3 roadmap</a> post, I told you about a new widget rendering system&#8230; I didn&#8217;t post more technical info intentionally, I wanted to create a bit of suspense :) but I also wanted to do some tests before publishing news.</p>
<p>For P4A 3 we&#8217;d like to have a killer graphic with killer features (resizable widgets, border layouts, beautiful and powerful menu and so on) thus we looked to the biggest javascript frameworks out there: <a href="http://extjs.com/">extjs</a> and <a href="http://dojotoolkit.org/">dojo</a>. Both have great features and both have issues.</p>
<p>Extjs as really a killer graphic layout, and it&#8217;s released under LGPL3 (developers wrote some licensing notes that I can&#8217;t really understand&#8230; actually I think that those notes could conflict with LGPL3 itself) but it has not an open SVN and development is quite closed. Another note: only community support is for free.</p>
<p>Dojo is more polite with licensing and it&#8217;s released under BSD, but I don&#8217;t like the graphic layout too much and the way you&#8217;ve to code your applications writing a non-standard HTML with dojo-only attributes. It has some accessibility features.</p>
<p>Some considerations:</p>
<ul>
<li>In my tests I found bugs in both frameworks</li>
<li>porting P4A to one of these tools is a &#8220;1 way road&#8221;</li>
<li>relying the rendering layer to a 3rd party project means we&#8217;ve to 1000% trust this project</li>
<li>these tools do not have a good print CSS support</li>
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<p>We would have a 3rd option: continue on our road with quite standard HTML but rewrite our CSS from scratch with a CSS reset and a modular design which will give us better control.</p>
<p>I wrote extjs developers to know if they&#8217;re interested in a collaboration with P4A, I&#8217;m waiting for an answer but I&#8217;m looking for your considerations too, community it&#8217;s important to me, please let me know what you think and what are your experiences with those tools (or suggest others).</p>



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